Oct. 3, 2021

40. David Parker aka Figboot on Pens

40. David Parker aka Figboot on Pens

In today’s episode, we will have a special guest who has become an established part of the fountain pen world through his YouTube channel and now a custom Leonardo pen release. Please welcome David Parker aka Figboot on Pens.

What is your current grail pen?

Namiki Yukari Royale

(I'm just getting into golf) What has been your favorite golf course?

Tobacco Road Golf, NC

Torrey Pines

Pebble Beach

St Andrews (go on Sunday, play on Monday)


What do you think are the most underrated pens in the market?

Cross Peerless 125 (yes, they have them, and yes, I bought one before I posted this)

Diplomat Aero (Pen Chalet link so you can use your Pen Addict code)


What is your favorite pen in the $100-200 price bracket?

Lamy 2000 

Pilot VP

What is your favorite snail mail embellishment?

 Wax Seals

Figboot on Pens Leo



Rockster pens

Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/stationeryorbit?fan_landing=true)


40. David Parker aka Figboot on Pens

[00:00:00] John: Welcome to episode 40 of stationery orbit, where we're all here to learn more about creative letter writing. I'm your host John West, and I'm joined by my cohost Evan Harris. And in today's episode, we have a special guest who became an established part of the fountain pen community through his YouTube channel.

And now accustomed Leonardo pen release, please. Welcome David Parker, AKA fig boot on pens. Good evening, David. 

[00:00:22] David: Good evening, John Evan. Thanks for having me. 

[00:00:25] John: Yeah, no, this is going to be a lot of fun. We've got a lot of territory to cover and I guess we'll get us started out here. You end up with some very enviable pens in your collection, and I want to know what is your current grailpen? 

[00:00:42] David: I, I'd say my current grail pen is probably Namiki Yukari, Royal and the main reason for that is that I have pens with every other size of pilot andNamiki nib, [00:01:00] except for a number 20. And the number 20, there's only a few models that have the number 20, the Yukari, your Royal does. There's some very expensive Namiki Makei models that do, and that I'm not going to purchase those.

But as well as the Yukari it is a rather pricey pen though. And, I, when I do have an emperor and I was able to get a good deal on my emperor when I purchase it. And so it was less expensive than the Yukari Royale is right now or what it retails for. So maybe someday as a reward for something.

But I'd say my absolute dream pen is something that doesn't quite exist yet, but I'm gonna see what I could do about making that change down the.

[00:01:41] John: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, for me, I've I had a chance to mess around with some pens. And my question was is whether or not I was going to want to do a pilot custom 8 45, or if I wanted to do the full customer Urushi and after having gotten those in hand, the. answer was [00:02:00] very plain. I want the customer, Urushi but that's going to be some saving.

[00:02:04] David: The Custom Urushiis very nice. The nib is just glorious. It's fantastic. 

[00:02:10] John: Yeah. And the reason why I was looking at both of those pens is because of the, your video on your top 10 nibs. 

[00:02:15] David: Yeah, that, one's amazing that pilot has some of the best nip. The 8 4, 5 is very smooth and fantastic. But then I even liked the customer Roshi even more. 

[00:02:25] John: Yeah. that was what I take away from it. And after like I said, after having those in hand, I can see where that particular sentiment comes from. So we were talking a little bit about grail pens, and I think one of the best things about grail pens for some collectors is some of the stories that are behind them.

So do you have a really good story behind one of your grailpens? 

[00:02:46] David: I'll say that for the longest time. One of my grailpens that I really wanted was the Montblanc Hitchcock that I'm a big movie buff. Hitchcock's one of my favorite directors. I've probably, I've literally seen every one of his films, even the silent [00:03:00] ones and really enjoy his work.

And so I really wanted that pen, but it is very expensive. It's long been sold out. You rarely see it come up every once in a while. You'll see one pop. But they were significantly more than I ever wanted to spend on a pen. And so I had it in the back of my mind. Yes, that's a grail pen, but probably one I won't obtain just because I'm not willing to spend, $3,500 or $4,000.

But every once in a while, they'd come up for auction on eBay or something and go for something and same price. And so I, I wanted it, but then I wasn't actively looking for it. But then all of a sudden, one of my friends purchased. And then he showed me some pictures of it and and ping me on it.

And he told me the price and I kinda couldn't believe it. He had found a dealer out of, I think it was out of Malaysia. That was an, that was an authentic dealer for Mont Blanc. And so it wasn't like you were dealing with, a guy with pens out of his trunk or something like that. [00:04:00] And it was legitimate dealer and he told me the price of what he purchased and the guy had one more that he would sell as well.

And I told myself that even though it was the most I ever spent on a pen. It was like I had to do it because I was never going to find it for that price again. And so I ended up purchasing it and I just love it. It's a little bit smaller. I usually like some really large pens, but it's nice and decent sized.

It's heavy. It has a lot of symbolism in it and it looks cool. It has a a lot of references to his various movies, whether it's psycho or whether it's vertigo and some of his other films. And it's just a an interesting pen to look at and has a story behind it. But yeah, so that one, I will say I lucked into my grail, so it fell into my lap as opposed to be hunting it down and finally finding it. 

[00:04:48] John: That's a new, old stock then isn't it. 

[00:04:51] David: Yeah, it was new, old stock. It was brand new in the, it comes in a little film tin and it was sealed up and it was a brand new stock, new, old. [00:05:00] 

[00:05:00] John: As long as it doesn't come with the nitrocellulose. We're good. 

[00:05:03] David: No, it didn't. It doesn't come with that. It came with a little, like a couple of little brochure and a month block always does a really good job in their limited additions and their marketing materials that come with the pen and packaging. I'm really nice. And it, it was pretty cool. So yeah, that's something that I was glad that I was able to add to my collection.

[00:05:22] Evan: That's an incredible story. I've seen a few mostly on eBay. Actually, if you what appear to be authorized dealers, selling pens at reasonable prices, they're not cheap, but not Mont Blancs spoke mostly Visconti from Malaysia and Australia.

[00:05:35] David: Uh, yeah, sometimes it takes a while to hunt down there, but there was a Visconti dealer out of Australia that I would, I bought a number of pens for, because , they were legitimate and they had really good prices and they had a lot of new, old stock things that weren't available elsewhere.

And so that was always interesting.

[00:05:52] Evan: That's good to know. I may be keeping a constant eye on one of my grail pens from there.

[00:05:57] John: Yeah. And it's funny to me, [00:06:00] how many folks. And up with grailpens, being some of these writers edition Mont Blancs, even though I wouldn't consider myself to be a big Mont Blanc fan, but it is very interesting to see how people are attracted to those writers additions.

And I don't know, maybe one of these will crack my list. One of these days. 

[00:06:20] David: Back when, before I was really even into pens I really wanted a Montblanc roller ball. I just really wanted a roller ball. It was like a status symbol. I really wanted one. And this was probably, this is the maybe late eighties. And I honestly think they were maybe 125 bucks or so.

I That's like how much they went for at the time. And that maybe it makes me sound old, but that was really expensive for the time for these pens, maybe one 50 or something like that, but in the hundreds of dollars and I really wanted one and someone gave me one that they found in their driveway and it like had a crack in it and the resin was like cracked in it.

And. And I was thankful [00:07:00] for it. It wrote fine. The resin was just a little crack though. And I was happy to have that pen because that was like my grail pen that I really wanted. And my one of my, the company I worked for the owner of the company she saw that I had it and I knew that she was independent or her husband was into pens and I showed it to her and she said, oh, you know what?

You could send that off to Mont Blanc and they will, they can repair that for you. And I said I'd like to do that, but I really didn't want to send off the pen that I just waited for forever and finally had it and then I'd be without it. And she goes, you know what, here she went into her desk and grabbed a another Montblanc roller ball and said, here, take this, use this while you send the other one off.

And so I sent the other one. The one that I sent off was a burgundy and the one she gave me was a black. And and then I remember them coming back and basically saying, yeah, we can repair your pen for $90 or something like that. And it was almost like the cost of a brand new one. And at that point I was not going to pay $90 to repair this pen.

And so I got it back. And then I [00:08:00] went back to my, the owner and I gave her back the black one and said, Hey, thanks. But I'm not going to get the other repaired. It was too much money. And she goes, you know what, just keep it. So she gave that to me. And so now I had to and then I was working a kind of a winter job at a bookstore.

And I found a burgundy one on the floor of the bookstore that a customer had dropped and no one ever came back and claimed it. So I have three, so I had three of the Mont Blancs and I never had to pay for any of them. And so those were like my first three nice pens that I owned and I kinda just kept acquiring the the Mont Blanc roller balls.

And I haven't used them forever. I transitioned to fountain pens, but I still have them. And they're still something that I probably wouldn't consider selling. Cause they have a lot of sentimental value, but it's just funny how some things, those things happen sometimes. 

[00:08:50] John: Yeah. So you kept edging on the follow-up question here that I think is inevitable. I kept hearing the word rollerball. When did you make the break into fountain pens? 

[00:08:57] David: I'd say maybe about 10 years ago. [00:09:00] Yeah. That's maybe about 10 years ago. And I had a friend at work who had a Lamy , It was either a safari or an all-star. I honestly can't remember which one it was. And he showed it to me and said, Hey, you might like using one of these.

And he really wasn't into pens that much. He just had one and used it occasionally. And so I thought it was interesting. And so I picked up a, an old star and I used that all-star for a couple of years. I think I. Maybe like a couple of metropolitans. And I had a Parker urban that I used as well, and I had those three or four pens and I used them for three or four years and was happy and really enjoyed it and liked the, I liked using it, but I wasn't, it wasn't necessarily into pens

but then after a while I kinda thought to myself, what else is out there? What else is cool? And so then you start doing research and I had no clue how big the world of fountain pens was. It's a niche kind of hobby, [00:10:00] but still there's a lot out there and you get overwhelmed really quick.

And I ended up picking up a Twispy diamond five. And after I got that, I think that's what really triggered it for me because when I got that pen, it had a really high, cool factor. It was just it's four for the price. First of all, it was more than I ever thought I'd spend in my lifetime on a pen.

And then just the fact that it was just so cool. It was a demonstrator, it was clear, it was large. It just had a 

[00:10:27] John: Piston loader to. 

[00:10:28] David: Piston And so then I thought to myself, if this one is that cool, what other cool things are out there? And that's a very dangerous question to ask yourself in this hobby.

And then I went off the deep end a little bit and went into more of an acquisition phase. But but that's kinda what the jumping board for that was pretty much those pens and then thinking, Hey, what other cool things are out there? 

[00:10:50] John: So I'm going to ask you a question here, because this is entirely un pen-related, but I've noticed in your videos, a lot of golf polos, and I'm just [00:11:00] getting into golf and.

Th there's the natural level of frustration, but there's also an, a natural level of love for the game that. it's almost immediate. So I'm going to ask You with all of your golfing. Do you have a favorite golf course?

[00:11:13] David: I've been fortunate enough to play it. First of all, I think my favorite course is any course I'm playing so that, you could go out and it could be the cheapest course in the world and still be fun. So you don't necessarily spend hundreds of dollars for a green fee in order to have a good time and to enjoy it.

It's like fountain pens. It could be enjoyed on just about any level. But in regard to some of my favorite courses I live in the North Carolina area now, and there is a course by the name of tobacco road that is in my area. That is. Incredible. It's unlike any other course you've ever been on.

It's like playing golf at the circus. It's really interesting. I grew up in the San Diego area. I played Torrey Pines a lot growing up, which was a lot of fun to play and has really blossomed and turned into a us open venue. And it's fun to watch them play on a course.

I've [00:12:00] played dozens of times. I've been fortunate enough to travel around and make it a point to go to certain courses. Probably my favorite course in the U S I've ever played is pebble beach. That's probably the most beautiful piece of real estate I've ever seen in my life. It is just amazing.

Even on camera, when you watch the tournament, it doesn't do it justice, how beautiful it is. And it just takes your breath away on some of the holes and it's amazing. But , a couple of years ago, I took a trip over to Scotland and was fortunate enough to play the old course at St.

Andrews. And that lived up to the hype as pretty much everyone's grail course of playing, or one of people's grail courses of playing that you can actually get on. Yes, I'd love to play Augusta national, but commoners are not getting on that course, but you could get on the old course at St. Andrews and it actually isn't that expensive. It's a sort of a fairly reasonable price course. It. It is so steeped with history that it was an incredible experience. If you ever have a chance to go, I would strongly [00:13:00] recommend showing up on a Sunday because it's a public park.

It's like the local muni. That's what St. Andrews is. And on Sunday, the golf course is closed because it's a public park. And so on Sundays there's kids playing in the bunkers and people picnicking out on the fairways and you could just walk the course. And so when I showed up on Sunday, I was able to walk a few holes, and I walked through some of the more famous holes and to get a look for them and a feel for them.

So then on Monday morning when I was playing them, I wasn't quite as nervous when you're standing at the first tee at St. Andrew's or standing at the road hole, which is one of the most famous holes in golf or standing there on the on the, I think it's the Silicon bridge, the swollen bridge. I can't remember the name of the bridge, but things like that, that you got some of your nerves out of the way, because you were at least walked around the day before and it wasn't all new.

But but like I said I think any course is a good course, but those are some of my favorite that I've been fortunate enough to play.

[00:13:59] John: Um, I've got a [00:14:00] question for you, cause I'd imagine the answer on this is variable because Parker's not exactly a scotch Irish name, but I'm a scotch Irish person. Did you kilt up or plaid up for the course? 

[00:14:10] David: No, I did not. I, weather geared up because it was raining the entire time or it was light drizzle yes. And what was nice is that it was raining, but it didn't stop us from plague. And that at no point did I ever feel the course was wet, that it's very Sandy. And so it just absorbs that water.

And so there was, even though it was wet and sprinkly and raining off and on in light rain never did the course feel like it was unplayable or that it hampered it at all. It was it was very nice. It was, yeah, it was very much a European day, but but very nice, but yes, no, I had my head, my rain gear on, and even a rain glove, which I had never played in before, but it's basically, it's a glove that you can get wet and it will still have some tact.

It can still maintain a grip, even when it's wet, which normal gloves [00:15:00] don't do. 

[00:15:01] John: Yep. So we're going to go ahead and swing ourselves back into pens here a little bit fig boot on pens , David's moniker had the name of his YouTube channel has been the key element to David's place here in the fountain pen world, giving everyone his opinion on various pens and various trends in the pen world and whatnot.

And what I would like to know David. With all of your production and all the videos that you've done over the years, what do you wish people knew more about your YouTube channel? 

[00:15:31] David: There's times maybe this is just a little selfish, but there's there's times when I don't think that folks have an appreciation for the, like the sheer number of skills that you need to be proficient at in order to produce what I hope others feel is really quality content. You need to enjoy the hobby.

You have to have a sufficient enough collection or interests for for some initial content. You need to cultivate relationships with manufacturers [00:16:00] and and distributors and retailers and makers. And so you could have new content coming in. You need to be a decent enough public speaker to be somewhat enjoyable to listen to.

And then on top of that, you need to enjoy the production process. You need to be somewhat proficient in the physical creation of the reviews. 

It's like the confluence of the Venn diagram of the skillsets that are needed in order to be proficient at this.

Or a podcast is very, very small. And now I take like the vast majority of the comments I received from folks are very positive. I tend to have a very positive attitude on my reviews. Not that everything I always say is positive about things, but I tend to say things in a very positive manner. But I, I feel that also, I feel that the vibe I give off is the vibe that I get back from people.

I don't get a lot of trolls and things like that, but every so often someone will say something and complained about a small aspect of my [00:17:00] reviews and or they might say something like, Hey, I only, your handwriting is terrible, which my handwriting's a little unique. And I, 

[00:17:07] John: stylized. You want to use the word stylized? 


[00:17:11] David: I feel like answering them, saying what the, what do you want? You want someone who's proficient at 20 different things and also has beautiful handwriting, but I have to like, hold my tongue sometime to not comment back to people and, they can have their opinions, but that everyone that does this kind of thing, whether it's podcasts or whether it's YouTube or blog, they all bring something different to the table.

And, I feel that there are others out there with different strengths than mine. And, you could learn from that. But there, there is just a lot of things that need to come together and sometimes you have to try to keep that in mind. 

[00:17:45] John: Yeah, to me doing the YouTube thing is there, there's an old joke and it was from a Dilbert cartoon, but I take it to heart and he had some new guy on and the guy was asking him, so [00:18:00] what do you need to be an engineer? You need to do this and this and this and this. What about geology?

Oh, that's just alcoholic guessing. The way I feel about YouTube versus podcasting. There, there is a certain amount that you have to be able to do in a podcast, but you're not worrying about exposure and video and audio and doing. All the visual editing, as well as all the audio editing.

I get to sit here with a whiskey in one hand and the mic in front of me, and I get to talk to wonderful people. And as long as the questions are good and the conversation rolls, then I've got a good episode, but there's so fewer variables that I'm going to stick with the alcohol and guessing portion of things. 

[00:18:36] David: There was a quote from Hitchcock just to bring it back to Hitchcock that he, when he actually directed a film, that was not his favorite portion because he did so much prep that when it came time to actually putting that movie on to film, it was like before it was even on film, he felt it was done.

It was like, he knew what was the movie was going to be. And it was almost like going through the motions to actually put it on to film and [00:19:00] edit it and get that part done. And there's times when I feel like that as well, I've written the review, I've done all the work and I know whether I like it or not.

And then it's okay, now I just need to go through the motions to actually we'll say, present the material that I've already put together. And then, then that can get a little tedious sometimes. And then you get sick of looking at yourself in, and listening to yourself. And when you're staring at your own face editing something for a couple hours, then you just get sick of listening to yourself.

But but it's not too. 

[00:19:28] John: yeah, my first, it was probably four to six months of having a podcast. I would just I'd start the editing process. And even though I had gotten into the interviews where I was listening to somebody else, most of the. I would just cringe every time I heard my own voice. And I think that's just a human response, 

so I'm going to switch this one over just a little bit because of your depth of your collection and everything.

Evan had a question for you about some of your opinion on pens. 

[00:19:58] Evan: Yeah. So the starting off really, what do you [00:20:00] think are some of the most underrated pens other currently on the market?

[00:20:04] David: I have a few things that I think are underrated, even though they've done a lot lately. I still think the diplomat arrow is something that is a little bit on the underrated side. Now, I think that it's creeping out of that because over the last, we'll say maybe two years, three years, they have just been killing it with all of their new releases.

They've had some amazing new things that the e-logs that just came out recently with that has the rings on it is it looks amazing. I actually have one of those on order with a retailer and they were out of stock. I think they're supposed to get more stock in, in the middle of October, but but that's been amazing.

The one that I, I still think is underrated is a cross Peerless, 1 25. That's a pen that I really think is underrated. It it uses us it's a across pen, but it uses a sailor nib or sailors, the one that manufacturers their nib. And so it's it's not quite as large as the king of pen nib, but it's a [00:21:00] decent size nib.

And the pen is a decent size and and the nib is just outstanding. And so that's one that I have a couple of that that I enjoy. And but yeah, whenever I generally, if anyone asks for something that's underrated, I usually come back with a cross Peerless 1 25. I don't think that cross has a lot of pens that appeal to we'll say the aficionados.

There's some but not tons, but the 1 25 if you could find one in a finish that you like I don't think people would be disappointed with that.

[00:21:28] John: I have a question for you with the cross Peerless. Are they actually still making those cause I'm pretty sure I have gone out to look and they've been. Pretty consistently out of stock. 

[00:21:40] David: I know you can purchase them directly from cross. The last one that I had purchased it directly from them. And then I had another one that I purchased directly from them. But that's the last place. I know that there's some retailers carry them, but not tons. So I think that's one of the things that they're a little bit underrated because they're not necessarily [00:22:00] represented as much.

[00:22:02] Evan: Yeah. Look, I'm seeing you a few places online. Just search. It's not a pen. I think I'd ever heard of before.

[00:22:07] David: Let's see. Let's see if I can grab this.

[00:22:12] John: I'm actually glad you brought it up because the the cross pens are one of those classic American creators that you don't really hear about very much, just because they're not part of the new hot. 

[00:22:25] David: Yeah. Personally, I don't necessarily care for their Townsend model as much. It's a little too skinny for me, a little too narrow, but this one's a nice thicker sized pen this one is a resin and then I have another one that is the Darth Vader model that they had. They had a star wars model that I have the Darth Vader model of as well.

And so both of those are nice.

[00:22:46] Evan: I remember cross roughly every four years makes a splash because. Every inauguration people say, oh, what are they signing things with? And on almost every president has used cross. [00:23:00] Some of which I know the company is very proud. But going into pens that are a little different, what do you think is your favorite pen in the hundred to $200 price bracket?

[00:23:09] David: There's a lot to like in that price range, you could get a Lamy 2000 in that price range. That's a classic pen. It's an amazing pen that even though it's 50, 60 years old, it feels like it just came out last month. It's a classic design that doesn't feel vintage when in fact it is a pilot vanishing points or another fantastic pen and like the 


[00:23:34] Evan: pens right there.

[00:23:35] David: I really liked the pilot custom heritage 92, that's a real solid pen in the custom heritage lineup.

It's a piston filler, a clear demonstrator, something different. And then also on the top end of that scale Leonardo momentous zeros. You could usually find those for right around 1 95, 1 99, right around that $200 range. And they've come on really strong in the last couple of years and it's a really solid.[00:24:00] 

[00:24:00] Evan: That's interesting. A little bit different than the pens themselves. What do you think some of your favorite snail mail embellishments are?

[00:24:06] David: What I really enjoy because I encourage folks to to write me snail mail and I enjoy hearing from people. And that I enjoy my wax seals that I have a number of wax seals that I enjoyed, that I had made. And so whatever I write folks, I always enjoy making a wax seal. I have one that I put my initials on now that I say, but it has my initials on there.

And then I have another one that is something cool that Jonathan Brooks made for me, which is I had a. A graphic of a fig boot, which is a graphical representation of of big foot, which is a story in itself. But but he made a wax seal out of some of his primary manipulation materials.

So it's something just interesting that Jonathan made for me. And that's doubly special. So those are two of my favorite ones that I have, but but I enjoy putting the wax seals on things it's something different. And then even when you [00:25:00] receive a letter that has a wax seal on it, it's just different and unique, and it's cool to see what other seals people have out there.

So that's something I've always enjoyed adding to my letters. 

[00:25:11] John: Yeah, absolutely. Though, the wax seals are definitely fun to get in the mail and I've not done it nearly as much here recently as I should have, so getting past the idea of some of the embellishments, getting into more of the content, have you had a piece of fan mail, either snail mail or email that really changed how you view your. 

[00:25:36] David: You know, Not necessarily a single piece, but just the fact that I received mail from folks that's special. If you told me years ago that I would be doing something and people would be writing me fan mail or writing me letters, that's a crazy concept. But it's nice to know that the work that I put into my channel is enjoyed by people and that they find it useful and helpful.

It's not an ego thing. I'm not looking for [00:26:00] adoration or anything like that, but it's affirming to know that the work that I do can make. For people. And when I was thinking about starting my channel around six years ago one of my main internal objections was like, why would anyone listen to my opinion?

And I recently received two separate letters, one from a husband and the other from the wife and they both sent letters on the same day and they let me know about it. They both talked about like how giddy that they would get when I post a review and how they would, they would announce to the other one that fig boot just posted something.

And it was like turned into a thing we're watching. It was something that they did together and enjoyed it as an activity between the husband and wife. And so just learning that and learning that your work can have an impact on someone and they could enjoy it on that level. It makes me feel nice.

And is it an enjoyable and affirming that that people enjoy what you do?

[00:26:53] John: Oh, that is super cool. That you've gotten something like that in it's always fun. When I [00:27:00] get something in, from a listener saying that I, that the podcast had actually. Encouraged them to pick up a pen and paper and actually start writing letters and getting back into that old tradition of snail mail.

And yeah. That's all you can hope for is that you've actually had some impact on that, on the community. 

[00:27:21] David: except for, I, I D I disliked my PO box and where it is located. It is literally at the bottom row. It's a really bad location. So it's like when I open it up, it's I have to like crawl on the ground practically to look down into it, to see if there's any mail in it, if especially it's in the back.

So I know that's not anyone else's concern about mine, but I wish I had better a better placement for my PO box. So I didn't have to crawl on the ground in order to get the mail. 

[00:27:46] John: I've got one of the more photogenic PO boxes on the planet. I've actually got mine in the old post office up in golden, which is probably. 50 60, 70 years old now. And [00:28:00] it's got the old school version of the PO boxes with the like sculpted art deco doors on them. So yeah. Very photogenic. Yep. So we're going to get back into some of the pens here. And this is just a very general question, but given all of the glitter that we've seen over the last couple of years, do you think that the fountain pen community or the found pen world has glittered out or is getting close to glittering out? 

[00:28:27] David: Where you see different trends. And I think the glitter trend just now that I'm thinking of it, I think it started with J. Herbin. I think that's the beginning of it when they came out with, some of their earlier, not the Emerald d'Chivor, but some of their early, a couple of inks before then, that's the stormy gray.

And I think that was the beginning of the shimmering trend. And and for me personally, I bought a couple of those, but I don't really use them that much. And I didn't find myself. Pick some up in regard to the eight, having some for the [00:29:00] trend, but there isn't too much in the way of shimmer inks that I really find myself drawn to.

Now, that being said, I actually did post a review of a brand new ink from Papier plume that they is their first shimmering ink. That was a nice gray ink that that I did enjoy. But I do think that it's become a trend where there's been a lot of glitter. And I think that there's going to be ebbs and flows in just about every trend and that I don't think, I think glitter is not going away, but I wouldn't be surprised if it tapered back a little bit.

And then maybe it came back a little bit more later, but it's here to stay. But it isn't necessarily aligned with a lot of what I look for in. 

[00:29:37] John: Yeah. I find myself with glitter inks, especially looking for the biggest nib I can find or just defaulting and using a fold and nib with it. 

[00:29:48] David: I, he got always shake up the bottle. Then once it's in your pen, then it's, it's almost like you feel like you have to shake the pen a little bit, cause it's going to settle down wherever you have it. So then you might start writing and you might not get any glitter [00:30:00] at all because it's all settled down and on the side of the of the converter.

But there's a lot of folks out there that really like it and I can understand its appeal and it's something different. And and so I think it has its place. 

[00:30:12] John: Yeah. And I'll throw out the same pro tip that I'd thrown out. I think two episodes ago that with the glitter inks for me, My favorite pen for that is one of the Opus 88 demonstrators because it's got the Japanese eyedropper design on it. So you can seal the chamber, shake it up, and then you can open the chamber and go with the glitter ink.

That to me, it seems like the only way to fly sometimes. 

[00:30:37] David: The Opus, 88 was one of the three. Whenever I do an ink review, I I use three different pens with three different nib sizes and I have an Opus 88 demonstrator here. That's an extra fine. And that's the pen that I used in my review that I just posted last night. I That was the main reason for it, because it was a nice, clear demonstrator and you could see the shimmer in there and it was interesting.

I agree with you that's a [00:31:00] good one to use there. 

[00:31:01] John: Have you ever thrown the new Pelican golden beryl in. 

[00:31:06] David: No, I have not. I have not I that's an ink that I don't have.

[00:31:10] John: Yeah. If you, even, if you get a sample of that I've seen it in a demonstrator before it is hypnotizing. It has just amazing ink to see in a barrel.

[00:31:21] Evan: Have you ever seen the diamond golden sands in a demonstrator?

[00:31:25] John: I've heard that when similar, 

[00:31:27] Evan: Let me get it.

[00:31:29] John: oh, there you 

[00:31:30] David: Oh, that's awesome. I will say what the papier plume Inc of say the pigments are a little heavier than normal. I think they settle quicker than I've seen another. It doesn't prohibit the flow at all, but at least it, it settles at the end of the bottle and it settles in the pen a little bit quicker than some other pens.

So you're not going to get that same kind of beautiful swirling like Evan has in that dynamite. You're not going to get that stormy look

[00:31:55] John: Yeah. And that's, that is the same thing with what you get out of the Pelican golden beryl [00:32:00] is that very stormy like sandstorm kind of a look to it. But so we had mentioned your Leonardo collaboration here at the beginning of the show. And for those who are not in the know that collaboration sold out in two minutes, how did that feel to have something hit the market with that much demand. 

[00:32:24] David: To be honest, it was probably more like 30 seconds, but it was so quick that first of all, it, there's always, it's a little nerve wracking when you finally put your name behind a product and you stand behind something and you want to make sure that everyone is happy. You're not quite sure how many you could sell.

You don't know how many people are going to buy it. And if it's going to turn out really nice and, going into the projects, I had nervous confidence. I was confident in the looks of the pen that I was really pleased with the way it turned out. And Jonathan Brooks was an amazing partner in creating the resin, but, could I sell 111 pens?

I wasn't sure, [00:33:00] I was thinking to myself, maybe if I could sell out in two hours, that might be amazing. Wouldn't that be so cool if I sold that in two hours and I posted the inventory and then immediately I, to this day, I don't quite know how people were able to place orders so quickly, entering in all their information because all of a sudden my mail went with all of these orders coming in and they just started flying in and I just wasn't prepared for it all of a sudden, just to be all.

And then after maybe 30 seconds to a minute, They're gone. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess that was it. I was like prepared for a whole afternoon of waiting for, all the orders to come in or to see how many would come in. And they were gone in a flash and it was a blur. And while I got a couple of minor hiccups, which any project will have for the most part, everything went extremely smooth and I've received lots of positive feedback from customers because , it turns from creating a pen to then all of a sudden being a retailer.

And now [00:34:00] all of a sudden I need to have over a hundred happy customers. And then you turn into a fulfillment house and a customer service company, as opposed to someone who's making pens and.

It was fun to see other people get excited when they received something that I had to help in creating and then seeing them get excited and making posts on social media was affirming and a lot of fun, too, so that people really enjoyed it.

It wasn't something that they got and were disappointed in. It was like they liked it and and we're thrilled with it. And so that was a lot of fun. I'm. In regard to a possible next project, I have a few things that I'm working on with a couple of different manufacturers that I wanted to do a couple of different things and and we'll see how that turns out.

I might have something new maybe by the end of the year to announce, but I am a couple of things that potentially could happen that would almost be grail pens or dream pens for me that I w I would just be so stoked if I could end up doing something that a couple of things that I have potentially planned that that, that would be amazing.

So I [00:35:00] don't want to turn into a retailer. I kinda like to be a thing where I have an individual project and sell that project and ship it out. I don't want to have pens in the garage. You'd have to go out and fulfill one order at a time. Cause someone ordered one on a Tuesday, I'd rather do it in batches.

And the first one was fun and I proved that I could help create something. That was nice. Yeah. I could do what I say I'm going to do fulfill, and I produced everything and got it. And then everyone's in hands before a little bit before I promised. So a lot of times when you follow a Kickstarter or something like that, you order a pen and it's nine months or a year later, you get something.

And so I wanted to reduce that time as much as possible. So people would have something in their hands and maybe about 45 to 60 days and was able to do that. And so then I hope that will bode well for future projects. Now that I've proven that I can be a, we'll say a trustworthy retailer, a project coordinator. 

[00:35:53] John: Yeah, absolutely. And it's really impressive that you actually did that without taking it to Kickstarter. That was really [00:36:00] cool. And I will say from my point of view, I was late to the whole thing. I ended up seeing it after the project had launched, but I really appreciated the changes you had Jonathan make to his earth magic because it took it from being something that mimicked that photograph into something that, to me resembles more of like natural turquoise. 

[00:36:24] David: Yeah, it is very turquoise. And that was the one thing that I, while I have an earth magic pen that I love of his and I think it's amazing. The, I won't say the issue with that material is that it's going to have some variety and you're going to have some models that are more of the copper and the darker tones and other ones that are more turquoise.

And so I wanted something that was a little more consistent as opposed to inconsistent. And so we basically took that and said let's just up the turquoise and lower the copper and basically have something that's a little more consistent. And [00:37:00] so it still has the copper in there and there's the copper accents, but the turquoise is definitely the key color there.

And so I was very pleased with the way it turned out and and we're really happy. And I think that it's one of those pens that as soon as I saw it, it had a bit of a, a wow factor for me. And that's the way a lot of people felt when they received it. And it's fun to receive the comments of it's even better in person than the pictures and the picture didn't do it, justice that I love it even more now that I could see it.

And so that was a lot.

[00:37:30] John: I think as a creator, getting something in hand, that is something that you would personally want to purchase is gotta be an absolute joy. 

[00:37:40] David: And that was one of the big things is that I had opportunities to do things in the past and thought about doing other things in the past, but I didn't want to just slap my name on a product and then throw it out there. I wanted it to be something that I had an active hand in and participation in designing and every aspect of [00:38:00] it, but then also something that I could stand behind.

And I really, I wouldn't feel good if I was just putting my name on something generic and then just put it out there. I wanted it to be something different and unique and something that I could be proud of. And definitely proud of this. This was a lot of fun and I enjoyed the project and looking forward to potentially doing new and different things. 

[00:38:20] John: Definitely mission accomplished. That's a beautiful pen at some point in time. I'll have to see if I can search around. I don't know if there's going to be a secondary market for that, but maybe there'll be a rerelease a off in the future there, but we've got a lot of belief in you and as my D motivational quote for the day, I'm going to quote bill Murray.

Just remember every pizza is a personal pizza, as long as you believe in yourself and try really hard. 

[00:38:43] David: Not, no, I'm not going to be coming out with any more of this exact model, because I basically said that this was a limited edition of 111. And so I can't then come back and say, okay, I'm going to go make 111 more or 200 more. But that doesn't mean that I can't use this same material in a different size [00:39:00] pen or at a later point in time, come back with maybe a a momentos zero grand day or something like that.

So I 

wouldn't be surprised at a later point in time, you might see this material, but in a different pen, as opposed to the momentum zero. So there's other possibilities out there. So the material might not go away, but you're not going to see it in at least though standard momentum, zero again, 

[00:39:21] John: All right. Out of your next batch of 111, count me in for one. 

[00:39:26] David: too. So 

you're buying two right 

[00:39:28] John: yeah, you betcha. Yeah. I want that in a Momento grand, a zero. That would be a beautiful go against my my primary manipulation 

[00:39:40] David: I see, but then it gets into the thing of how many can you sell? That's the kind of the question is because all of a sudden, when then you go up to the Grande you're dealing with maybe a 450 to $500 pen with a steel nib and more, if you want gold. And then the market isn't necessarily as much, what's the market for that level of pen [00:40:00] or if I produce something that with another manufacturer that might be like literally a seven or $800 pen, what, how many of those can you sell?

So there's a question of kind of personal investment. And, but then you want to have a supply and demand to where you want there at least to be one more person that wants to buy your stuff then you have, you 

[00:40:17] Evan: Yeah. 

[00:40:17] David: be sitting at a bunch of emotions.

[00:40:18] Evan: If you somehow made that other manufacturer Conid, I'm sure there'd be a huge market for it. Whatever price.

[00:40:24] David: If we could get them to make pens again, I think that's step one. Step one is getting them to make pens again. And then we can go from there. 

[00:40:32] John: I think that with the the Leonardo momentos zero grand day I managed to get my hands on the first batch of primary manipulation and there were 50 of each of those pens available. And I felt I was just absolutely shooting into the dark, trying to come up with a retailer that would come up with that pen, even at the price that it was.

I, I felt like I was fighting a losing battle, trying to find somebody who would actually buy one and send it to me. [00:41:00] So, yeah, I think you have a, I think you have a pretty good chance with that one, but yeah, I certainly understand that's a lot of money to hang out there. 

[00:41:08] David: Yeah. And then also it's not like I'm a retailer, I'm a guy, am marketing it myself. I don't have a marketing machine that well, other than my channel, but it's a singular thing, as opposed to then when let's say a brand new model comes out, that goes to 20 different retailers, then all of these 20 retailers are spreading it all over the place.

And so then it it gets all sorts of attention. And so you have to try to garner that attention on your own without trying to over publicize it. But, it's, like you said, there, there was other people that said, Hey, I didn't even know this pen was out. And then they said, I wish I would've known that.

And so you try to do your best to let as many people know as possible. But I think that my next project I'm going to do it slightly different. And we'll say I have a plan to make it. So that anyone that wants one could get one but still doing it will say on a reasonable side from the business side of it, [00:42:00] but having it be an open, limited edition so that anyone that wants one could get one.

And then again, it's going to be a test of how many can I sell? I really don't know. We'll see, this will be the test. As could I sell 150 or 112 or 200 or 300? I really don't know. We'll see. But we'll see how maybe one of the future projects comes out and if, how people feel about that and how will they react to it.

But it'll be fun to see. 

[00:42:23] John: Yeah, welcome to the wonderful world of risk mitigation, where you either accept it, you share it, you get rid of it or you find some way to stop it. So yeah, sharing it's sharing. It's a good choice. One of the things I had noticed most of your videos are about pens and inks and those kinds of reviews.

And you actually have a number of travel vlogs on there from some of your travels to China, and I'm going to be moving out to the Asian Pacific region here at the end of the year. And so this is going to be another one of these personal questions that [00:43:00] I really want to ask, because I'm very interested in the answer.

Is there a spot in China where you think that it would really surprise in American. 

[00:43:08] David: I, first of all, China's a fascinating country to visit. I've been there on three different trips over the years and I enjoy taking trips to places that really take you out of your comfort zone. Some people like to go on vacation to a place that's just like home and they just want everything to be at home.

They want the restaurants to be just like at home. And that kind of bores me a little bit. You want to, when I went to China, I did not want to go to a McDonald's, why would I go halfway around the world to go to a McDonald's no, you want to experience the culture and you want to do things that are different.

You want to adapt to where you are traveling. It is not the job of the country or the people to adapt to you if you are out and about, and the only toilet that's available as a squat toilet, then. You are dealing with it. And that is your fault. That is not the fault of the country for not providing with you with your Western toilet.

I think that there's a lot of ugly Americans out there sometimes in travel that don't necessarily have that same [00:44:00] attitude. I, there was times when, as a six foot tall white man that you stood out like a sore thumb. And we went to a lot of places that were off the beaten path and non touristy.

And, I would be walking down the street and you had noticed everyone around you pointing and staring and and you were all, it was like the circus came to town just because I'm walking down the street and. It's like when folks got home, they would tell their families eat live.

You'll never guess what I saw today, type of thing, and, we were eating at a restaurant once and these two teenagers actually came up to me and wanted to take a picture with me just because I was different. And so I thought that it kind kinda gave me a little taste of what it would feel like to be, we'll say an extreme minority.

And it was a novelty for a short period of time. And the attention was interesting. But if you had to deal with that on a daily basis for your entire life, then I can understand how that could. Rather difficult, but in regard to China, I think one of the things that I don't think people understand is the sheer size of the country.

It is virtually [00:45:00] equal to the United States. And so in the U S we have significantly different climates and cultures, depending on the parts of the country. The south is much different than the Pacific Northwest in attitude and culture and atmosphere and everything. And like the Southeastern portion of the country is very tropical.

It almost reminded me a lot of Hawaii, where you go to the hotel and everyone's wearing floral shirts and things like that. And and very tropical. And then there was other areas that were not so much I'd say the food was fantastic. Especially like on my first trip there, I was a little worried because I thought to myself that, if I had to live on rice for a couple of weeks, I'm just going to suck it up and that's what I'll do.

But w it was far from that. I enjoy basic Chinese food, nothing too crazy, but everywhere we ate was fantastic. It was amazing really good food. Now, if you're on a three-week trip and every single meal you're having is Chinese food, no matter how good it is, you get tired of it a little bit.

If you had pizza every day, you'd get tired of it after a little bit. But I remember us staying at a [00:46:00] hotel that had a decent bowl of spaghetti available from room service. And all of a sudden we were excited because we could get, something different, the Chinese food, even though we were eating amazingly.

And I think we order room service spaghetti, like three nights in a row. And probably the wait staff was wondering what's going on with all the spaghetti go into this room, but it was it was amazing. The people were very were very nice. And like I said, It's interesting to be in a place where you feel so foreign and you feel like such an outsider.

And I think that's experiences that people should have and getting out of your comfort zone and things like that. 

[00:46:34] John: So we're, I'm going to be moving over there. Mandarin is actually one of the top languages that's spoken there and I'm actually working on learning it. And I've been trying to learn it now for six months. And I'm still in like the first set of lessons, trying to come up with something like Wo shien Chu Mapo tofu and just to order something, a dish off of a menu.

And it's just, it's an incredibly hard language, [00:47:00] but it is. So musical, it is, it's just.

[00:47:04] David: Something I appreciate is they have their hand number symbols down. You could go to one to 10 on one hand. I don't know why we haven't as Americans figured out how to do that. But they have hand signals for, one to five, you have one to five fingers, but then also I can't remember exactly what they all are, but 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, there's one handed single signals for that.

So you don't need to, hold up two hands in order to do eight, you could do it all in one hand, something simple like that, 

[00:47:29] John: yeah, that's very cool. So one of the things that I noticed early on in your videos is that you've got a pretty sizable collection of classic pens, and you seem to have a real appreciation for them. And I had asked Kirk here a couple of episodes ago about his take on classic pens. And I wanted to ask You the same question. What do you think makes classic pen.

[00:47:59] David: You [00:48:00] know, I think that there is a great deal of mystique and hype around those pens. It's an easy choice to be someone's grail. It, It kind of checks a lot of boxes. There were only 350 made. I'm talking about, just about the lb fives. There was 50 of each of seven materials. They've long since been sold out.

And so you're only going to find them on the secondary market. The material is unique, this diffusion bonded acrylic the fact that it is a glorified sailor. 

That's basically what it is which I enjoyed the sailor king of pen nib is one of my favorite nibs in my collection. I really enjoy that nib.

And it's turned into a status symbol in the fountain pen world. Now it's one of those things I was thinking about it that like a Mount Blanc might be a status symbol to folks who aren't really into pens everyone knows the logo, but the lb five is more of a status symbol for those who appreciate the hobby and what that pen brings to the table.

If I brought an lb five and a [00:49:00] Mont Blanc, 1 46 to the office that, the people that aren't into pens are going to be drawn to the 1 46 more than they are the lb five, just because they know that symbol. I actually own two. I have the Kosecki, which is the brown with the gold trim.

And then I have the 10 Sui, which is the blue with the silver. I was fortunate enough to get into this hobby right at the tail end of when those pens were available. And I purchased the 10 Sui first and then not long afterwards. Andy Lambrou, the man behind classic pens. Talk me into buying the Kosecki not too many pens that people had talked me into buying a pen, but I, he talked me into buying the and I'm glad that he did, it was literally the last one he had available for new stock.

And they're special pens. And while there's some of the I think there's some of the very few pens which I could sell and make a profit on. A lot of pens hold their value a little bit or maybe a little bit below, but I could actually, I could make a profit on those, but I don't foresee selling them anytime soon.

I enjoyed them and it checks a lot of the right boxes for me. [00:50:00] 

[00:50:00] John: Yeah. So you actually had made a mention there that segues into my next question. The you've been in, in the hobby for quite a while. And especially with your channel now, you said it was six years old now. 

[00:50:16] David: Yeah, I think it'll be six years in October. Is it was six years. Yeah. And coming up here soon.

[00:50:23] John: Yeah. So what have you seen change in the fountain pen world? Since you've been a part of this. 

[00:50:29] David: I think that there's been a significant growth in the sheer number of offerings from all different sources. There's been a tremendous amount of quality individual craftsmen doing some incredible work, not just what's it, call it quote unquote turning pens and slapping a nib on it, but creating quality and unique items.

Some of my favorite discoveries in this hobby have centered around finding a maker. Blows you away. And it's like finding that old band that you never heard of and you like some of their stuff. And then you find out that they had six [00:51:00] other albums you'd never heard of. And so you have this plethora of information and treasure trove to listen to.

That's how I feel with some of these makers that, you discover someone that just blows you away. I remember walking up to the, for the very first time to a Yoshi table from pen 1 8, 1 11. If you've never seen his work, it is stunning and incredible, and he does something different than no one else does.

And as soon as I saw his pens, I just have to have one of those. It's just incredible what he's doing. And he. Pretty much. I I think he might send some of the roll stops to have someone else physically make for him. But but he designs everything and he produces all of the pens himself.

And for the most part, it's a one man shop and does some incredible work. And there's lots of other makers out there that, that do so much incredible stuff. And I think that there's a plethora of those that that have grown over the years. 

[00:51:50] John: Just to make sure I have this one, right. that was Penn 18, 11 

[00:51:54] David: 1 8, 1 11.

[00:51:56] Evan: Yeah, I'm a big fan of his work. I've only seen it online.[00:52:00] 

[00:52:00] David: Yeah. It's a little hard to find. I You have to, he doesn't sell anything through his website. I like. He shows, excuse me, he shows a lot of stuff on on Instagram. And then he has like an Etsy store that he sells stuff out of. And he'll always attend the DC show and I'm not sure what other shows he attends, but when the world isn't on fire, but but his table is incredible and he does some fantastic work and they're well worth checking out.

[00:52:26] Evan: yeah, I think I understand roughly how he's doing the manufacturing is really a neat process that I wouldn't have thought of doing myself. And it's just a really cool, they are all on Instagram and that's it. The pens looked incredible. I hope to go to one of the shows eventually, so maybe I'll see them.

[00:52:42] David: In essence, what he ends up doing is he takes his resin and then he lasering graves. So let's say there's a leaf that is on there. He laser engraves, a leaf, or basically a pothole, so to speak for a leaf. And then he goes back and then fills in that leaf with resin. And [00:53:00] so it becomes a solid material as opposed to a painting on top of the material.

And I'm sure I'm simplifying it, but that's in essence what it is.

[00:53:09] Evan: That's an essence. How I am. I understand. As well, but there's one of the traditional forms for Mak'e Urushi is to carve in and then infill in a similar way. But I would have never thought to use laser engraving and CNC to do the same process with the resin, which is a really fun way to do it.

[00:53:25] David: Yeah. Yeah. 


[00:53:26] John: Science. 

[00:53:27] David: yes, I am. And I think in his previous life, I, maybe I misspeak. He was an engineer or an architect or something along those lines. I think people was an architect, but he had a lot of design elements that he had in his his main career before he retired and started his second career.

[00:53:46] John: Wow. That's a cool second career. That's enviable. And I'm going to have to go out and look at that because that works sounds enviable. So I actually, that does lead into well into the next question. Where do you see the fountain pen world going in the future?[00:54:00] 

[00:54:01] David: You know, I don't necessarily feel that there's going to be, a cultural explosion in the popularity of the hobby. I still have a feeling it's going to stay a little bit, niche far as an analog hobby in this digital world, but I think that it's going to be strong. But the, one of the things I really enjoy about the fountain pen community, and I could really see this when you attend a show is the variety of ages of.

That go to shows is that, you have your kind of your older crowd and, but then you have a lot of teenagers and folks in their twenties and even thirties who are getting into the hobby. And it's really nice to see that newer generation of folks and seeing them develop their passions. And so you don't feel like you're in a hobby that is dying out because everyone in it is just aging out that you can see that there's some new blood coming in.

 And the new blood has different interests and love glitter ink and things like that. And so that everyone has their [00:55:00] tastes that they're going to bring to the table. And the market's going to change over time as these people develop in the hobby. But I think the variety of people coming into the hobby is going to be one of the strengths moving forward.

And one of the nice things to see. 

[00:55:13] John: Yeah, I think that in regard to your observation about the younger people coming in, we've actually already had a younger person come into the community and has impacted it. And I want to make a shout out here to Ralph Reyes, who did all of his stack nibs, and really try to recreate some of the really big sailor stack nibs here in the U S and.

Unfortunately he had to withdraw back out of that out of our world for awhile to, to deal with stuff. But he has actually kicked on a whole other set of nib makers that are now starting to make stack nibs. So [00:56:00] we've already had a younger person impact this world, which is remarkable. 

[00:56:05] David: Yeah, there's a number of folks out there doing doing some stack nibs and doing interesting experimentation. And while all of that experimenting might not necessarily hit on your personal taste. I think that. Innovation and experimentation like that's going to lead to new innovations and new developments and new products.

And so I always encouraged that type of thing just because I think it's, you'll want to push the envelope to see where you end up. 

[00:56:32] John: Yeah, absolutely. And personal, admission here. One of my great regrets is I should have letting go of one of those regalia writing labs, nibs. I shouldn't have sold it. And unfortunately I did. So I'm going to get to the last question here. To carry us out, what is your favorite purchase stationery or not in the last six months? 

[00:56:54] David: I think it ties back to a couple of questions ago when I was talking about some of the the new makers that are [00:57:00] on the scene and I always get excited when you find something new and find something that you've never seen. And there is a maker out of Wales. His name is Ash, and he has a company called Rockster pens.

And I noticed him on Instagram. He's a fantastic follow on Instagram, just because a lot of his pens have basically a lot of eye candy, but I saw one of his pens that I just had to have, which is a burled maple. It's a purple pen. And it just has some coloring and patterns that I'd never seen before on a pen.

I reviewed it a couple of months ago. But it is a burled maple. It's a wood that is actually infused with resin that makes it much stronger and creates a unique look that I'd never seen before. And something that's new and different and unlike anything else in my collection is something that really is a.

To me. And this pen is certainly that and I also [00:58:00] liked that. I was able to bring some attention to a smaller maker who other folks might not have learned of otherwise. And that's always fun to make a discovery and then share it with other folks. And then see that maker have a little bit of success because of the exposure they received as a is fun as well. 

[00:58:17] John: Yeah. And so this is definitely an audio format. So we, everyone cannot see the pen that David is holding up. This thing looks like it's made out of acrylic. If you hadn't told me that was wood, I would have completely believed you. If you had told me that that was an acrylic pen. So I encourage everyone to go out, see fig boot on pens on YouTube.

Go to find that the burled maple review for the Rockster pen and take a look at this pen. It is really stunning. David, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for the interview. This was a great interview. I really enjoyed it. And to help carry us out here, working the folks, find you out on the internet.[00:59:00] 

[00:59:00] David: That my channel is fig boot on pens, where you can find me on YouTube on Instagram. I am fig boot 11. I generally take a different pen to work with me every day. And that's my pen of the day. So if you ever wondered what is in my collection I kind of cycle through the vast majority of my collection over time.

And you can see the vast variety of the collection that I have. Some show up a little more often than others. You end up using some of your favorites more often, but you see a variety in there. And those are the main, my main two Hangouts where I ended up hanging. 

[00:59:31] John: Yeah. And the fig boot 11 account on Instagram for those of you that are in the know about fountain pens, it's always fun for me to see your cleaning day 


[00:59:42] David: I went way too long with not being as diligent as I should about cleaning pens. And so then I, one day decided to basically, I'm going to start a project where every weekend I'm cleaning out 20 to 30 pens until I am done. And then I'm going to be [01:00:00] better about using pens. And then at the end, every weekend, I clean out the pens that I use during the week and keep very few, just inked up all the time.

And and it took me several weeks and I did it. And then I was good about cleaning every weekend. And then I actually slacked off for a couple of weekends and I had to actually go through another larger batch this past weekend or the weekend before. But I'm going to try to do better about cleaning my pens on a regular basis.

So that it's better for the overall health of the pen. And then also it's a hundred times easier to clean a pen after the end of a week, as opposed to if it's been sitting there and the ink dried out in it, 10 times as long to clean it. So it's a lot easier to clean them as well.

[01:00:41] John: Yeah, completely understand. So I had made mention earlier about podcasting being at least a little bit about alcohol and guessing, and I wanted to give Evan a chance here. He has also started another podcast and it doesn't always involve alcohol, but it [01:01:00] does. So I'll let Evan talk about his new podcast. 

[01:01:04] Evan: yeah. We've been doing this for a few months now. My friend, Alison and I have a podcast called Shebrews Hebrews, a Jewish fermentation podcast, which trust has very little to do with fountain pens, aside from the fact that I enjoy them. But so anyone who's interested in alcohol, especially home brewing we discussed that we discuss all sorts of fermentation spreads, cheeses vinegars pickles.

We did a lot, talked a lot about water in the last episode, well as some of the Jewish holidays that have happened recently.

[01:01:28] David: You get bonus points for the name, just the name alone. Get your bonus points.

[01:01:33] Evan: But the name coming up with the name was part of the food was half the fun of starting the podcast. 

[01:01:37] John: oh, that, that is always the truth. Yeah. Coming up with stationery orbit was a, an epiphany for me. Yeah, there was definitely a lot of fun. Evan also does transcripts on his episodes for Shebrews Hebrews, the same way that we do here at stationery orbit, where we've got a piece of software that does the transcription for us.

And Evan actually goes through and [01:02:00] corrects his transcriptions 

versus what, some of what I do. And if any of you are interested in some of the Jewish holidays, some of the Jewish tradition. You can actually go into his transcript and pull some of those and Google them out as I have. And it's educational if nothing else.

And it is really a fun podcast. So really appreciate everyone's time. tonight. And for all of you that are out there, be proud of your snail mail.