July 24, 2022

61 Industrial Origami

61 Industrial Origami

 In today’s episode, we will be talking about how to fold paper will make the world better.

Postal bulletin

Pony Cars and as many California State Fair postmarks as your heart could desire


USPS doubles EV order to 2 vehicles (jk) was 5K now 10K


Industrial origami




Here are the two links: from friend of the show Richard

TPA silent auction




61 Industrial Origami

John (2): [00:00:00] Welcome To episode 61 of stationary orbit, where we all here to learn more about creative letter writing. I'm your host, John Weston. I'm joined by our co-host Devin Harris and today's episode. We'll be talking how to fold paper and how it will make the world better. So good morning. Good day. Good evening.

Evan delete as necessary

Evan: good evening. How are you?

John (2): doing well, probably not as well as you are because I'm drinking coffee and I believe you have a sangria and front.

Evan: Yeah, that's right. The appropriate drinks for the times of day in our respective locations.

John: this is correct. So we'll be talking a little bit more later about something that is near and dear to Evan's heart and not exactly industrial origami, but something akin to it. And but we'll get started off with our normal. Our normal segment and we'll get into the postal bulletin and they've got a whole new set of stamps coming out for pony [00:01:00] cars, which is kind of cool.

Evan: That's right. These are a collection of several different stamps and a pain of 20, oil paintings based on, uh, muscle cars. We have a painting representing the 1969 Ford Mustang boss 3 0 2, the 1970 Dodge challenger RT these 1969 Chevy Camaro Z 28, the 1967 mercury Cooter Sr seven GT and the 1969.

AMC javelin SST.

John: Yeah. And, uh, for me, Going back into the muscle cars. It definitely brings back memories of my childhood, but I think the most reminiscent thing out of the whole deal is actually their black and white postmark for this, which is a old speedometer old-school speedometer that would have looked right at home in that original that a Ford Mustang [00:02:00] boss 3 0 2, I think that's where they pulled out speedometer.

Evan: really, I thought it looked kind of like a tie, like a racing tire by to be wrong.

John: pretty sure that's a pretty sure that's supposed to be speedometer. 

Evan: The background though, is a checkered flag from a race. Uh, this is, uh, being issued on August 25th from Sacramento, California, which annoys me because having spent a significant time in Michigan, this should be out of Detroit. The home of all of these cars,

John: Truth.

Evan: all of these are our Detroit car brands.

This should be a Detroit, Michigan.

John: Yeah.

Evan: I will, I personally am not much of a muscle car fan. These look like some fun stamps and are honoring some well-made, uh, American products from, uh, their peak time.

John: Yeah. This is definitely something that. I think if you've ever seen the movie Ford versus Ferrari, um, there, there's a really fun little moment in there where the, [00:03:00] the race car driver is reviewing the 65 Ford Mustang. And, uh, just looks at the, this, the, one of the main guys at Ford and goes, so who's, who's this for their secretary. He didn't think much of that as a muscle.

Evan: I tend to prefer cars that can go around corners.

John: Yep. And, uh, this is definitely a fun set of stamps. I think it'll definitely play well to the collector set, um, the right age range for it, for sure.

Evan: oh, absolutely. I think this will be a great both for collectors and, and anyone who is a fan of the automatic. Which I mean, as much as I enjoy city planning and not ne not necessarily needing a car, I do like cars.

John: and, um, so you said that you liked, uh, vehicles that go around corners as well. And we're now going to talk about something that I will guess absolutely will not go around corners as well. And we're going to go back to the new. Postal vehicles.

Evan: The next generation delivery vehicle, which is [00:04:00] replacing the drum and long life vehicle, which of course is from Grumman, the military and an airplane supplier, which I learned at the end, they had a few extra cars leftover, so you can not buy an old USBs car, uh, because they all. They don't have license plates.

They don't have VINs. The USBs is not required to have those things, but they took some of , the extra cars, they built put a VIN plate on them, sold them to local governments and you can buy them. Apparently they only go for about $4,000 and I kind of would love to buy an LLV and, uh, electrify it.

John: Yeah, you might be a little young to remember this, but I'm not. I remember when the LLVs came online and they sold off the entire fleet of the old Jeeps that were the postal service. Before that. And I remember seeing those old Jeeps on the road for years after that fleet was retired.

Evan: yeah, given that the LLV started before I was born. I [00:05:00] am a little young for that.

John: Yeah.

Evan: Uh, but you still see, you still occasionally see old taxi or police crown Vics on the road.

John: oh, absolutely. Yeah. The upside down bathtub.

Evan: Oh, that, I mean, that car is designed to run forever, but so is the LLV. The last LLV was built in 1994. And they're still the most common postal vehicle today.

John: Yep. Yeah, I think it is funny that, um, we, we ended up talking about the, uh, The little shenanigans that happened with the, uh, the federal vehicle fleet is that they don't have to abide by any of the state's rules, which means they don't have to have license plates.

Evan: so it's not the federal vehicles. It is specifically the USBs. So other federal vehicles, FBI, CIA. NSA I'm just grant a DEA. I'm just naming random assortment of the , federal acronym organizations. They have to have license plates and VIN numbers.

 USBs is constitutionally [00:06:00] it's loaded

John: Oh, okay.

Evan: are because they effectively get to control what vehicles they use on postal roads. They don't have to have one. others might have specific exceptions for specific vehicles, but theoretically they have to have a plate and a vehicle identification number for each chassis.

John: okay. Yeah, it was my understanding that, uh, actually most of the government vehicles that are out on the road are not owned by agencies. They're owned by the GSA and that the GSA actually decided to play nice with this. And put license plates on their vehicles, but it wasn't a requirement, which is the reason why, if you look up, if you, if you find the license plate to look it up, it won't show up in a state database.

It's only GSA.

Evan: Yeah. So it is a separate database, but it is, but they are required to have the licenses. Um, on most of those vehicles, it is the GSA gets their own database. And, uh, I mean, effectively, they are owned [00:07:00] by whatever agency you want to talk about. Um, but they are, it is technically a GSA database, which is the GSA is the one who manages all of that.

John: okay. So the, uh, the note I put in the show notes, uh, was mostly a joke. And then I looked at the actual numbers and it's not quite as funny as I thought I put on here that, uh, the USP S doubles its easy order to two vehicles. And um, I thought that was funny. And then I went and looked at the article and it turns out that they were only doubling it.

5,000 vehicles to 10,000 vehicles out of a total of over 50,000 vehicles.

Evan: That's right. There've been some that being fully visa more, a larger percentage is also going to become battery or plugged in hybrids. I am a huge fan of EVs for most people. I have in fact, have an Evie car on order hasn't been built yet, but I'm getting it in UV for my next vehicle. But it's the postal services read to 40% of the new, uh, fleets to effectively [00:08:00] be electric or electrified, for the majority of these next generation delivery vehicles.

So now I'm not talking the launder route. 18 Wheeler, a sorting center to sorting center cars. Those currently, unless we go back to trains, which I also would love because that's the sort of person I am. Uh, those the 18 Wheeler is the most efficient vehicle and yes, there are going to be gas, but for most local delivery vehicles, these next generation vehicles are never going to be driving more than any of these range, frequently, less than half of an EVs range in. And they should be almost all electrified, not 40%.

John: Uh, I think the interesting part for this to me, and this is just me looking through my futurist crystal ball, but if they've designed these next generation vehicles to be in the same category as the long life vehicles, um, these next generation vehicles [00:09:00] may end up being amongst the last of the actual man driven.

On the road vehicles in existence because by the time they're done with their lifetime, most vehicles on the road will probably be autonomous vehicles.

Evan: that is very, very possible. It's not something which I thought about yet, but that. Incredibly possible. Um, and the other thing is that there are a lot of arguments against EVs, most of which are short-sighted for the vast majority of people. Again, I'm buying one. So I have a little bit of an incentive, but how far does the postal vehicle normally drive in a day?

It's less than 200 miles while less than 200 miles.

John: well, and especially given the fact that most of the time, they're, they're just moving. Like leapfrogging along, down the road, going from mailbox to mailbox. And it's, it's short, it's a lot of starting and stopping, which I'm sure that the electric motors are better at

Evan: Absolutely. And yes, you're going to have the postal [00:10:00] service will have to build charging infrastructure. Um, though some of that infrastructure could theoretically be shared with the public for public good. Um, and, but this is an ideal chase for electric vehicles and. Postmaster Lewis, the joy not fully invested in them is incredibly frustrating.

And the electric grid in the United States is not fully renewable by far, but it is becoming more and more renewable. And with a gas futile, it never did screener and electric vehicle becomes greener as the electric grid does as well.

John: correct. Yeah, that's a, that's a very good point to be made. And I think that. You're right. I think that looking back at it, they had a chance here with the redesign of this new fleet, given how large that postal vehicle fleet is to actually effect a dramatic change in the vehicle charging infrastructure.

And they [00:11:00] just punted.

Evan: Yeah. Imagine the ones that do have parking for the public. Imagine if even half the spots were free electric charging during business hours and after, or even charged electric parking, but available to the public during business hours.

And while the post is being delivered and at night, Post office charging only that , could bring money into the post office , by having charging fees and be encouraged. Electrode vehicles, just the post office is everywhere and saying, oh, there's a post office near the restaurant.

We're going to, I can plug in there when I'm at dinner.

John: yeah, yeah, that's good point to be made and it's going to be an interesting thing going forward into the future. So we'll see how that works. Um, as a completely unrelated side note, uh, talking about the future, I actually just saw an article last week that Singapore. Is going to [00:12:00] be fast tracking, flying taxis and are planning on having them online in 2024.

Let that sink in.

Evan: That will be very interesting to see if it works. It has been tried before and not successfully. Um, so you'll have to report back to us in two, in a year and a half to see if it's really happening.

John: yeah, it's definitely going to be, I think it's still going to be out of my price range because they're saying that it will. 40% of the flight of a helicopter and helicopter rides are still kind of stupid money items, but, uh, eventually we'll get around to it, but I think it's going to be something that, um, again, putting on my, my, my crystal ball, look, I think it's really going to change the look of Singapore, because if you look at a city like sell Paulo, Brazil, how many riff top hella pads that city has, that's going to have to happen here in Singapore.

Evan: It will be very interesting to see what happens. I I've yet to visit Singapore. So I don't know the look of the city as [00:13:00] much, but. Very cool to see what happens in the next, uh, year and a half to two years,

John: Yep. So we're going to switch gears here and we're going to also be

Evan: electric cars.

John: no, no gears and electric cars and no gears in or a gummy either. Uh, at least not yet. But we're definitely going to be talking about some stuff that, uh, could potentially affect our future. And this is something that Evan has actually done research in, and it's not called industrial origami.

Why don't you go ahead and give us a briefer on this.

Evan: so industrial origami is a very broad term and a bit of marketing, um, to refer to basically anything that is fault in an D for industrial applications. So there are plenty of things that are folded sheet metal that could technically be industrial origami that aren't. Um, but origami. Someone does not know is a Japanese traditional art of folding paper to generate complex shapes.

Uh, and [00:14:00] a lot of academics have done a lot of really interesting things with it. Uh, I did a little bit of research directly with it, a lot of stuff, tangential to it during my masters. Uh, the first link we have is kind of neat just from what it says in his work. It uses the term industrial origami to build an electric motor bike. And electric moped, where it is folded and stamped sheet metal stamping would require the elastic or permanent defamation of the material using force and stress, but it made a cool looking bike that requires fewer parts and doesn't have the rigid tubular frame underneath.

John: Yeah, it is something that I've seen similar designs like this, and. The initial idea of being able to just stamp something out that is rigid and is robust, like what they have here for this, this idea for this frame, the old school mechanic, part of [00:15:00] me, which is goes back to the pony car stamps idea is the difference between your original steel frame structures and the new unibody design.

What the cars, the new unibody designs, any damage to them at all. Pretty much ruins the vehicle and because all of the, all of that unibody structure is made to collapse in a specific way to protect the driver, to protect the passengers. The same kind of thing goes for this idea of this industrial origami.

It's neat to look at when it's brand new, I'm concerned about what happens if this thing ever gets damaged, it is pretty much immediate. Having to be thrown out because it's going to deformed in a way that defeats the purpose of that structure.

Evan: Yeah. So it does depend significantly on the structure. This one would be a crumple fail. Uh, so if it, if it is significantly damaged, its um, its [00:16:00] structural integrity would be a null.

John: Yup. So I guess that we're going to. I kind of get into this idea and it's, it's gets into another Japanese idea of wabi-sabi, which is appreciating something as it ages and trying to keep it in place and usable. And I think that there are a lot of folks that, especially when you start talking about like old Harley riders, as much as.

The, the going joke was that nor did a, it, in order to own a Harley, you also had to have a pickup truck to ride behind it, to pick up the parts that fell off of the Harley. Um, Harleys are also something that you can, you can rebuild, you can repair versus these newer, these newer designs that I questioned how repairable they are.

Evan: I mean, yeah. A lot of design has gone from design for repairability to design, for manufacturing and for safety. And that is not just in the automotive and transport sector that is across, uh, Design, so design [00:17:00] for manufacturability, which gets rid of the repair, but it does not specifically mean the companies are out to get you to prevent you from repairing things.

No, it's easier for them to design that they can build it easier.

John: Yeah. Yeah. I can definitely see that. Cause it there's gotta be trade offs to any kind of design. And I definitely agree with you that I don't think anyone's particularly out to get the consumer, but I think that there are some definite trade offs when it comes to design.

Evan: Yeah. I was in several meetings today about that sort of thing.

John: Yeah. I think you're a little closer to this than I am.

Evan: Oh yeah. Um, but back to kind of origami specifically, we've got a few other things on origami and origami is from an academic standpoint, a method of folding a inelastic flexible structure. So that inelastic means it doesn't stretch at all. Flexible means that it can bend. So origami [00:18:00] paper is a prime example of the suit and fold and bend paper without any problem.

But stretching paper doesn't really happen. So quite literally, during a class, I took on structures and solids, where we were asked to demonstrate. Uh, a use of some of the mathematical proofs we had done. I made a paper airplane and stapled it to my homework, but because it was showing in the elastic bendable structure that goes from a two dimensional plane, such as paper to a three dimensional stretcher and participant.

Not for good at origami. That was the best time to do.

John: Yeah. Um, and I'm going to, I'm going to jump just a little bit ahead here, because I want to, I want to talk specifically about this paper title that we have a little bit later in the show notes and. Um, I've got to get this link into the show notes, but this is from nature. And the ne the title of the article is rigidly flat foldable class of [00:19:00] lockable, origami inspired metamaterials with topological stiff states.

And, uh, we were having a little discussion before we got going with this, and essentially what. Uh, what that entire title boils down to is the difference between a flat piece of paper that you would use for origami and an origami cube that would be folded down into that shape. From that original piece of paper, the original piece of paper is a metal material in that it's a woven material and.

 On its own, the paper fibers wouldn't exhibit the same properties as the paper at the same time, the paper doesn't exhibit the same properties as the origami cube, because once it's folded into the cube, it becomes stiff. It actually develops a structural strength.

Evan: Right.  Calling paper a metamaterial. Depends on what, um, what range you're looking [00:20:00] at as far as size, but it, it, it certainly can be, if you're looking in the Misa and micro micro-scale mezzo is small macros thing, you can definitely hold in your hand. Misa is one smaller micro something. 

You need magnification. Um, but so like, I know a lot of people might be stared by the all lot of the words, not knowing what they mean. When I talked about originally flat foldable class of lockable, origami inspired metal materials with Tava, logically stiff states. I know every word in that, in that title.

And this is the sort of thing that I see, oh, I need to read that.

John: Yeah. Uh, I love the fact that you can rattle through that quickly. It shows that you, you are way too familiar with the words, because I actually had to slow it down.

Evan: Yeah. So the, one of the things that I did when I first saw this was searched my master's advisor and her PhD advisor to see if either of them were cited, surprisingly not, but it's tangential, not directly related. My research was on a topologically transforming smart materials structure. Um, which basically means materials that can by powering them directly change their shape and a [00:21:00] typology, which surface.

John: okay. Yeah. I think that, um, when we start talking about this kind of engineering, I think it's important to recognize what, um, Evan had mentioned before, which is when we're, when we think about origami. We think about the idea of the creasing and mountain folds and valley folds and the way that that's done.

And when you start talking about how that turns into engineering, then it turns into being able to identify points on a plain surface, as well as in a 3d structure, which ends up getting you into a lot of matrix.

Evan: Correct. You generate these incredibly complex matrices and multiplying each fold is not that actually complex mathematically, but then you multiply a fold by a fold by a fold by a fold. And each one of these is a matrix a, which is a way of doing multiple equations at once for anyone who's not taking [00:22:00] a more advanced mathematics.

Um, and you multiply these matrices together and. You're never doing it. You do it with the computer. Uh, and mostly program called MATLAB or occasionally Python. Uh, which mat lab is a joke sometimes because people say it's not actually coding, which is technically scripting. I'm not to get into the difference here.

I love MATLAB. Uh, but so you I've done a lot of this actual math and it is really cool to see it work and being able to say here's all the math I actually did to show how a paper, airplane, Foltz

John: Yep. So, uh, this is something that, especially when you start talking about the idea of the math and the way the iterations work together, and this is going to be again, kind of tangential, but. The idea of the evolution of the stealth fighter designs that you see where it was, went from the F1 17 to the B2, to now the F 35 and the way those different [00:23:00] aircraft look worth based on the idea that the original algorithm that they were based off of, which is reflection of radar waves off of a stiff surface. I gave you different iterations of that shape. And the more advanced the algorithm became, the more iterations they were able to work into it, the smoother those designs became. So the was looked like a little origami aircraft. It was, um, it was so unstable that it couldn't fly without having computer stabilization.

Then you had the B2 and now you have the F 35 and each of those designs has gotten smoother and stuff.

Evan: It's Atlin, we've also learned more about, for those we've learned more about radar absorbent materials, which has, uh, made an impact, but origami itself is really cool. One of the things. I took, I sat in on a seminar in grad school with somebody who combined these origami techniques with some more traditional engineering, uh, tent needs [00:24:00] looking at last, the defamation, which is for anyone who does not know when you defamation, so stretching something. It's a Lastic phase is when it will return back to where it was. The plastic phase is when it stretches and doesn't fully return. Uh, so Alaska defamation means returning fully back and he looked combined the origami techniques with the elastic, um, defamation math to calculate how a dragon flies wing could full. And actually proved that it was an optimal folding, an optimal folding method, and that it could not be compressed into any smaller space based on it's, based on how it was and how they fold out and sprint back using a lot of very advanced maths, uh, that I barely understand, but it was incredibly cool to see him work through and show what he had done using both the origami technique in some more traditional engineering. Technique has origami. You could also consider like hinges planes and hinges.[00:25:00] 

John: Yeah, it's just even thinking about the original setup of that. That hypothesis makes my head hurt.

Evan: If I can find the slides from that, uh, or the videos, I want to watch them again, because it was incredible to see. Uh, but yes, if I sat there for quite a while saying he did what,

John: nice. Yeah. It's, it's always fun. When you, when you come across something. That is doing something that is so far out of your day-to-day range that you just can't help, but appreciate the intelligence.

Evan: I've been very fortunate to have experienced that quite a lot. And one thing I heard recently and was just the perfect way to kind of state it is time in the presence of experts is never wasted.

John: um, the one [00:26:00] I have always liked is a mediocrity recognizes nothing above itself. Talent instantly recognizes change.

Evan: I liked that one as well.

John: Um, yeah, it's, it's definitely interesting. When you, when you see geniuses in the world, people love to play the game of, well, how would you define a genius and you don't define a genius. You, you recognize a genius when they come along.

Evan: much like art to the Supreme court definition of pornography?

John: Yeah. I don't know a genius, but I know one when I see one. Yeah. Very good. So, uh, we're going to, uh, stop our little departure here from normal letter locking and a normal letter writing stuff into the world of engineering, and we're going to come back down and, um, I've got two articles that were sent in by a friend of the show, Richard and.

Uh, he was nice enough to pass these along to us. And one of them is a times article and fortunately we didn't have to [00:27:00] fight with the times payroll. To get into this, but it would say article talking about the ciphering techniques that were used, uh, during, uh, Henry the eighth's time. And these were letters from his wife, Catherine of Aragon.

So these were, uh, this was the code that she used and, uh, the they've got some really cool stuff in here. They've got some. Cipher pendant, uh, and some of the deciphering that was done as part of this project,

Evan: Absolutely. There's a lot of really interesting things behind ciphers, which are incredibly mathematical, the entire concept of cryptography. Uh, these are more artistic ciphers than some, instead of being letter replacement, ciphers, they are overlapped ciphers, which is also just beautiful to see written out.

John: Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. It's definitely definitely a different level of thinking that has [00:28:00] to go into something like that.

Evan: absolutely. One of the, um, uh, researchers refer compared to, to early modern Wordle.

John: yes, they did. Yep. And, uh, the other part of this was that a, this came from a spot that, um, I think we're actually going to end up with another thing in here, but, uh, this part of this came out of the Folger Shakespeare library.

Evan: That's right. This is a, uh, collection and library out of Washington, DC. It is not just Shakespeare. They focus on the early modern period. So about 1500 to 1750 or so, uh, and they are the largest collection of Shakespeare first folio. In the


John: And so our next article, or actually does come directly from the collation and which is the research and exploration. Newsletter for the Folger library. And this is a letter lock from [00:29:00] queen Anne to Buckingham, and it was locked at the corners using a silk embroidery floss.

Evan: That's right. We've talked a little bit about flossing in some letter locking before. Um, but it is, uh, one of the less common we've mostly done it with paper, not actual silk or hair or any other material, but it is a very interesting way to lock and seal your letter, uh, using piercing and a extra material between pages.

John: Yeah. Something that would show tampering. Should it be disturbed?

Evan: Absolutely because to open these letters, you have to cut through the silk. Uh, so either you have, and the selfie is also locked into the seal. So you'd either have to re remove and replace the seal or very, very skillfully, uh, so new self into it.

John: yeah. And I thought it was interesting to see this article because. We've got now an example of [00:30:00] letter locking coming out of another research library that is not the MIT library 

Evan: absolutely though. I'm sure they have worked together, or at least they're familiar with each other because academics are very familiar with each other in their own field.

John: Yeah, absolutely. Like we were talking, it's a common thing for academics to bump into one another. It seems to be a pastime.

Evan: I mean, it's part of the job quite literally.

John: So, yeah, it was a, uh, a fun thing to, to have passed along. So thank you, Richard, for, uh, being kind enough to make us aware of those two articles. And, um, the last thing I wanted to talk about is, um, there was a, uh, an event that happened and it happened a little while ago, so I apologize for this being a little late, but I just want to.

Um, give a shout out that on the Pen addict slack, that, uh, there was a silent auction that happened here, not that long ago. And Evan [00:31:00] was kind of in the mix of it. I found out about it later.

Evan: Yeah, so I didn't end up winning anything, but this is unfortunately somewhat related to the tutor era and the us Supreme court, uh, decisions on things, uh, Franklin in the pen, out at slack. If you are in the pen at slack are probably very familiar with, he is very active and a wonderful member of the community.

Hosted a silent auction for a significant portion of his collection with all of the proceeds, going to reproductive justice and other similar, um, charities, uh, after the us Supreme court's recent, uh, decision.

John: Yeah. I would encourage everybody that if you are into letter writing, if you're into fountain pens and heaven help you, if you are into watches, uh, uh, for any particular reason, um, go find the pen [00:32:00] addict, slack, reach out to the pen addict, uh, Brad Dowdy Yep. And, uh, he will, he will get you access into the Pen Addict, slack, and you, you can see how much further the rabbit hole.

Evan: Yeah, w we have a discord that is not incredibly active, but feel free to make it more active. Uh, the pen at slack is a wonderful place, uh, with a lot of different. Channels and communities that are like, and a a lot of, a lot of great people there, I think. And this is just one thing that one member of the community has done that I think is absolutely incredible.

And even though it was a month ago, we still wanted to, um, to make a point of mentioning

John: Yeah, exactly. I think that your Evan's exactly right. That part of the reason why I wanted to mention it is just because of how strong and how just kind the pen addict, slack community is. Uh, I have, I've been impressed by them. I haven't been [00:33:00] nearly as active with them since. But it's, uh, it's always a fun community. So, uh, if, if that's something that is along your lines of thinking, uh, please again, reach out to Brad and get yourself some access into that.

Evan: For an example, if you hate your wallet, something having to do with the watches channel, what was literally just posted, um, by Franklin, sorry. Oh, this is a beautiful watch and omega limited edition pocket. Watch those 15 pieces and is a $18,000.

John: Yeah, like you said, if you, if you really hate your wallet, if you hit your bank account, uh, the Pen Addict slack watches channel is where you need to go.

Evan: He doesn't own this. . It is a link to Corona 24, which is a watch a watch marketplace. But Ooh, that's a pretty watch.

John: Yeah. Yeah. I thought that I thought fountain pens got into stupid money fast and they can, but, uh, watches are a different level.

Evan: Wait, till you hear about the founding Pence made by watchmakers, not just bump launch, who [00:34:00] does do some watches tonight? Actually, I actually. But, uh, Richard mill, who is most people might know for being a F1 sponsor, including Ferrari or a tennis watch sponsor. If you're a fan of Rafa, he has a a special, a special watch directly from him.

And if you don't know tennis, Rafa is the winning-est, uh, has won more men's majors than any other player in history.

John: Yep. And you know, like you said, you got some, um, some folks that when you get into the luxury brands market, they do tend to overlap a bit.

Evan: yeah. Richard meal, uh, there, um, they do a fountain pen that is, so people might be familiar with the retractable nib of the platinum cure to us or the pilot vanishing point. This is a watch powered, like watch mentioned as empowered retractable found in pen. So you click it and the mechanism to takes the nib forward and.

John: uh, oh, that just sounds dangerous. [00:35:00] Why did I let you start this?

Evan: Um, let me see how much it is. I think it is, um, six digits.

John: Yeah. Yeah. That's getting quickly into that watch, uh, level of, of expensive, but uh, why don't you go ahead and if you've got a link for that, uh, toss that into the show notes.

Evan: That I will. But you said it's just, especially if you like engineering or movements does it as a skeletonized movement, so you can actually see the movement working. Uh, it's just beautiful. Uh, I can't find the price of it. I believe it was, uh, high five figures or low six

John: yeah. Yeah. So skeletonize, I believe is the watch a variety of that particular vocabulary in fountain pens. That would be a demonstrator.

Evan: Uh, effectively. Yes,

John: So, Alrighty, well, that's going to do it for this episode of stationary orbit. Uh, thank you all for indulging us in, uh, getting into a little more engineering this time around, uh, both of us are engineers, so it's always fun occasionally to, to geek out on that, um, and, uh, hope to be in your ears in two weeks.

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